Who had the best Fantastic Four run? Who had the worst Fantastic Four run? That was the question I wanted to answer myself as opposed to believing the talking heads and parrots with no perspective or hands on knowledge of actually reading every FF issue, so I created a rating system and formula to create a fair way to judge Fantastic Four runs. You can read my posts about methodology here and here.
Rated solely on the quality of each issue ranked in Movie Stars (****) here’s the Top 5 Fantastic Four runs- for most people that is enough to make a judgement, but that’s like saying Pete Rose was the best baseball hitter in history because he had the most hits. That being said, in strictest terms, there is some validly in this:
- Walt Simonson: 3.89 stars
- Mark Millar: 3.75 stars
- Carlos Pacheco: 3.7 stars
- Stan Lee/Jack Kirby: 3.59 stars
- Mark Waid: 3.5 stars
The problem with just using the average rating per comic issue is that there is a glaring omission: John Byrne’s run averaged 3.21 stars; he was responsible for 63 issues. Therefore we must also look at level of production. Here are the Top 5 Longest Fantastic Four runs:
- Stan Lee/Jack Kirby: 102 issues
- John Byrne: 63 issues
- Tom Defalco: 61 issues
- Steve Englehart and 5. Mark Waid each had 30 issues
So striking a balance between quality and production is necessary to reach an informed conclusion.
This chart shows the ranking of Fantastic Four Normalized Comic Book Run Value (not stars). The average run length of a writer on the Fantastic Four comic (a run = at least 6 issues) is 25.33 issues. This does not include the current FF run by Hickman, which is ongoing. In other words, 25.33 is the mean- a creative team gets penalized for not reaching that value, and rewarded for surpassing it. A “standard schlock” comic book story gets a quality score of 2 stars. We all know what a 2-star movie is: it’s “just okay” or passable. Same idea when I give a comic book a 2-star rating. The normalized rating compares the average quality score of a comic book run to 2 stars. A normalized score of 0 means that a run that averaged 2 stars and was 25 issues: the true statistical mean.
As you can see from the above chart, Stan Lee and Jack Kirby’s run of over 100 issues averaging over 3.5 stars puts them head and shoulders above everyone else. Once I apply this methodology on other comic book runs I’ve read, I have a hunch Lee and Kirby’s FF run may be the best ever for any run. This value can be compared to other runs, since it uses the 2-star comparison. It also shows you if the comic book run was “good” (a positive value) or “bad” (a negative value) and by how much. This also leapfrogs John Byrne to his rightful place as #2.
The above graph compares all the different Fantastic Four runs to- not a theoretical 2-star comic book, but to an average Fantastic Four comic book, which is 2.72 stars (not including Hickman’s current run). In other words, it contains the runs inside the Fantastic Four title, so we can better answer questions like “How does JMS’s run rank compared to other FF runs?” as opposed to a theoretical 2-star comic book. A score 0f zero would be a run that averaged 25 issues averaging 2.72 stars. Therefore this chart truly weeds out runs that don’t meet the FF’s standards, and allow you to see the differences (and distances) between runs as contained in the “FF universe”.
Best Fantastic Four Runs of All Time:
- Lee/Kirby
- John Byrne
- Mark Waid/Mike Wieringo
- Walt Simonson
- Carlos Pacheco
Worst Fantastic Four Runs of All Time:
- Tom DeFalco/Paul Ryan
- Chris Claremont/Salvador LarRoca
- Jim Lee/Brandon Choi
- Roy Thomas’s second FF run
- Gerry Conway
Now that the FF stats are done, expect me to write articles about each run, i.e. analysis beyond numbers. Also stay tuned for other runs, such as Incredible Hulk, Green Lantern, and Amazing Spider-Man.
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Agreed. I think that’s why I’m quick to defend Moffat–he’s made the show so much better in such a short time that I’m willing to overlook his flaws. Even at his absolute worst (and I honestly can’t think of a Moffat script I haven’t enjoyed on some level) he’s clearly trying to do something interesting, whereas RTD so often just seemed to be slapping a few stock scenes onto a semi-clever concept and calling it a day. He’s sort of the Mark Millar of Doctor Who.
RT
Recently, meaning the last 10 years or so, my comic book reading has been sporatic at best. To be honest, I missed that whole Civil War thing and wasn't aware Tony Stark was bad guy, although he's always sort of been his own man, even as a member of the Avengers. I had a feeling that, despite his being a superhero, he was often a millionaire industrial capitalist first.
Say, when did Nick Fury become a black man?
And I wasn't aware that Joss Whedon was writing comics. I really need to get back into that if authors of that caliber are writing. I can't ever remember real writers doing comics and I always thought that Roy Thomas was the closest thing to a real writer we had back in the day.
amen to the Wonder Woman stuff. i had high hopes that we'd see a focused direction for the book after having my hopes dashed during Phil Jimenez' and Walt Simonson's underwhelming turns. i thought we'd see the well-rounded, emotive character George Perez and his collaborators established and perhaps see some well-plotted action.
nope.
when Rags Morales was touted as 'regular' artist my hopes rose again. then, all the rescheduling for Infinite Crisis made a mess out of that.
i think we can chalk the unfinished business up to 'editorial mandate' and sit tight for the rumoured new team of Allan Heinberg and Terry Dodson.
thanks for the opportunity to rant. i like Diana as a character. i hope she doesn't get offed in Infinite Crisis to pay for her killing Maxwell Lord. i don't recall this kind of plotting after Superman killed.
c.
Irredeemable
RT
Yo veo que no hay problema para que Hickman trabaje en el universo tradicional y en el ultitomatero. En el primero ha demostrado mucha capacidad para aprovechar la materia prima preexistente, en tanto que en el segundo hay tierra virgen por explorar. Yo pienso echarle un tiento a todo cuanto haga mientras mantenga el nivel.Carlos Pacheco está haciendo un arco argumental para la Patrulla-X.
He sang with his heart. It's rare to see that nowadays
Star Wars: A New Hope:
dude the best joker of all the models is the one of the three that mark hamil did.the one with black lips and a bang pistol that actually shoots the one that got shot by tim drake. that wus the best outtuh all and u didnt include him